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Post by Trollestia on Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:07 pm

Since SD should probably have at least one thread in it, let's talk about gun control.
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Re: Gun Control

Post by KENDARRR on Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:59 pm

I'd say that as tragic as it is that kindergarten kids were slaughtered, guns aren't the problem. The people who use them are. I'm sure he could have managed to do the same thing with just about any weapon if he really wanted to. For instance a knife could have probably been used, and since he REALLY just wanted to get after his mom and fuck up anything in his path, that wouldn't be to farfetch'd. He'd go in saying he would like to talk to his mother stab her in the throat and what are the kids going to do? Defend them selves with their safety scissors. I do agree on making sure every gun is accounted for and it's assured that some one with a violent criminal history doesn't get a hold of one through conventional means. But I don't think limiting the type of guns or the magazines available to the public is going to affect anything. Like I said, people are the problem not guns.
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Re: Gun Control

Post by Trollestia on Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:02 am

I agree, for the most part. People are a much bigger problem than guns. Gun control is something I think America needs to be careful of because we have in our Constitution the right to bear arms and form self-regulated militia. If that wasn't in our Constitution, it wouldn't be as big a deal to talk about gun control. However, reducing a person's ability to purchase firearms legally is moving into "Constitutional Reform" territory, something that we should all be scared of, no matter which amendment of the bill of rights is being infringed upon.
The real problem, like you said, isn't guns. It's the people who get those guns. In the Sandy Hook shooting, as well as the smaller but closer to home Clackamas shooting, both of the guns were obtained illegally. We won't ever know if the gun used in the Sandy Hook shooting was properly secured, but the one used at Clackamas Town Center was not. I think step number one in would be to indict people who get their guns and ammunition stolen because it wasn't locked up with criminal negligence.
The second step is to increase state-run programs for the mentally ill. Sane people don't go on murderous rampages. Granted, some people do not display signs of illness until it's too late. The shooting that happened in Norway, for example, was done by somebody who wasn't displaying signs of mental illness (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong on that one). There are many times where things like what happened at Sandy Hook could have been prevented if proper mental and medical care was given to those who needed it. There was a shooting a few weeks ago in which two firefighters were shot and killed while putting out a house fire. The man who shot them had, several years prior, beat his grandmother's head in with a hammer. If he had received proper medical treatment, he would have probably still been institutionalized and properly medicated and counseled to make sure he was a stable member of society.
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Post by The Candyman on Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:25 pm

Yeah, the way we deal with mental illness is pretty fucked up. Recently, we released a man from prison who was there for 15 years for killing his grandma with a hammer. WTF? Because he served his time, he's a new man and pinkey swears he'll never do it again? Prison shouldn't be a punishment, but a way to keep dangerous people off our streets.
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Re: Gun Control

Post by KENDARRR on Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:45 pm

Just goes to show no one here (U.S.) cares until it's too late. And even then they only care for a little while, or for their own gain.
People who get their weapons stolen and don't report them though, should certainly be charged with Criminal Negligence. But if it's stolen, reported I think that kind of thing is a little bit much, perhaps a fine would be better suited. Definitely a good thing to take into consideration.
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Re: Gun Control

Post by ToonStink on Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:51 pm

It's the people that do the killing we should control, If we killed murderers on the spot there would be less crime. Taking away guns would be like the prohibition, it would just raise gun related crimes.
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Re: Gun Control

Post by Trollestia on Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:51 pm

KENDARRR wrote:Just goes to show no one here (U.S.) cares until it's too late. And even then they only care for a little while, or for their own gain.
People who get their weapons stolen and don't report them though, should certainly be charged with Criminal Negligence. But if it's stolen, reported I think that kind of thing is a little bit much, perhaps a fine would be better suited. Definitely a good thing to take into consideration.
If your gun's stored properly it probably can't be stolen, and if it is it's due to circumstances out of your control. I'm talking things like gun safes and keeping ammunition in a separate safe.
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Re: Gun Control

Post by KENDARRR on Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:23 pm

I just mean gun safes are quite expensive. It's unrealistic for some one who, in my family's case, owns 2 guns, to buy a $200+ gun safe. I suppose something like locking them would be more realistic, but that doesn't really prevent someone from stealing it.
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Re: Gun Control

Post by Trollestia on Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:42 am

Locking them up in a cabinet or something is still completely fine. A gun safe is just optimal.
Also, the government could give out grants to people who invest in gun safety measures. We can't both have guns and also not have safety measures in place by the government to protect people from those with guns.
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Re: Gun Control

Post by KENDARRR on Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:16 am

I think tax breaks is what you're thinking of. But yeah, that's not a bad idea at all.
That's a lot more realistic, locked away in general, I guess that just never crossed my mind.
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Re: Gun Control

Post by Trollestia on Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:35 am

But even if they take away all our guns, we'll still have
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